Question:
Do you think I should stick with flying?
soaringgirlboo
2007-08-10 21:39:22 UTC
I love flying "my" little Cessna 152. I'm a student pilot with a great CFI, but unfortunately, in this case the student doesn't reflect the teacher. It took me forever to solo, and I'm now about to go on my fifth cross country w/o solo-ing yet. I'm always getting lost, can't multi-task good so while I'm trying to chase down a heading my altitude always gets away from me, and everything else that can go wrong usually does. I'm usually able to find the airport (w/ much help and prodding from my teach) but I also usually manage to get several miles off course every time. I live in a rural area w/ a bunch of trees, not many landmarks. I used to wanted to be an airline pilot, but it might be a miracle for me to even get my private. I'm not able to have lessons very often (sometimes once every three weeks) b/c my mom's paying and we aren't the richest people in the world. Just wondering if I should give up on my dream and save money, or stick with it on the offchance I'll ever learn.
Seventeen answers:
anonymous
2007-08-11 05:28:21 UTC
Alright, this is going to be a little long winded but I'm going to tell you my story. I'll do my best to make it as short as I can.



When I first began my training in1968, it was in an army Hughes TH55 helicopter. I'M 6'3" and that sucker was too small for someone the size of my golden retriever. My knees were up in my chin and my helmet was damn near cracking the greenhouse Plexiglas above me. I could not get anywhere near comfortable. After several hours of patient instruction, if you call getting whacked on the helmet with a clipboard every fifteen seconds patient and two instructor changes I just could not find the hover button. Every time my instructor would say "OK, one more time. You've got it" I would start slamming the controls all over the cockpit to the point that I would bruise the insides of his thighs with the cyclic. And because I was so cramped, my feet would dance on the pedals like Fred Astair. In the meantime, all of my classmates had their solo wings on their caps.



Finally they decided that I should ride with the flight commander and let him decide if I should be given a little more time or eliminated from the program. The night before I was to sit before the only god I worshiped who wore a nomex flight suit like mine but had two bars of a captain on his collar as opposed to my none, I called my then to be wife from the barracks and told her that I'd probably be on the next flight out of Dallas because there was no way I'd be allowed past the pearly gates of solo flight.



The bus ride to the flight line the next morning was the most miserable ride of my eighteen year long life. Captain John Delumba and I walked out to the aircraft, helmets in hand and I did the walk around. We finally strapped in and without saying a word he started up, took off and flew us out to the stage field where we practiced hovering. He looked very hung over and I could swear that he must have had a real knock down drag out with his wife or kid the night before because every time I said something he would just scowl at me and grunt without keying his mike over the intercom. I felt like I'd been arrested, convicted and sentenced and all that was left was to get where we were going to be executed.



We finally got to the stage field and he approached to a three foot hover. For the first time he keyed his mike and without looking at me he snarled, "Awright damnit, you got it. Better not kill me." I grabbed the controls and like no previous instructor had had the guts to do before, he took his hands completely off the controls, reached into his sleeve pocket and pulled out a pack of Marlboros and a lighter with a 1st Cav emblem on it. I began to do my usual sweep of the cockpit with the controls and how he managed to light a cigarette with the helicopter's wild gyrations I'll never know. This was the first time that anybody had the gonads to sit there for more than a few seconds before yanking the controls back away from me. After about a minute of my nearly killing us on no less than three occasions before some miracle swept us up away from the murderous earth, he finally grabbed the controls and with the cigarette dangling from his mouth screamed over the intercom, "goddamit I got it." He hovered us over to the ramp and set it down on the skids. He rolled the throttle to Idle, looked at me and sighed. I thought, "Here it comes." After about thirty seconds staring a hole right through me he said, "Take off your boots."



This requires that I explain something here. All during preflight ground school, we were constantly drilled on the proper way to wear the uniform for flight. The nomex sleeves on our flight suit were to be rolled down and Velcro at the cuffs fastened, our leather and nomex gloves pulled up over the cuffs of the shirt. Our helmet was to be on our head with the chin strap securely fastened, AND OUR BOOTS WOULD BE COMPLETELY LACED UP. Needless to say, I was in a real quandary as to how to respond so I said what is probably the dumbest thing I've ever said since. I looked at him and said, "Huh?"



He yelled, "I said take off your boots. Don’t you understand English?”



Then it hit me. He needs a reason other than the fact that I'll never be able to fly to eliminate me from training. Must be some legal thing. He needs me to blatantly flaunt a regulation like, "you always wear your boots when you fly" in order to erase me from flight training for all eternity. So I said the second dumbest thing of the last four decades, "Sir?"



"I said take off you're f---king boots goddamit."



I reached down, like I said, my feet were not that far away in the tiny cockpit, unlaced my boots and pulled them off. Before I could ask, "what now?" he grabbed my spit shinned works of art and tossed them about twenty yards across the ramp. He stuck his cigarette back in his mouth, rolled on the throttle and hovered us back to the practice area.



"You got it." he said in a soft, reassuring voice the likes of which I hadn't heard since before I began basic training six months earlier. I grabbed the cyclic in my right hand, wrapped my fingers around the throttle on the collective with my left, and slid my stocking feet up over the pedals. Something wasn't right. I didn't have a death grip on the cyclic grip so tight that you could read the imprint of the grip part number on the palm of my hands after I’d take off my gloves. My left fingers soothingly caressed the cork grip of the throttle. And for the first time, my feet glided lightly over the pedals that before I could not even remember feeling under the soles of my combat boots. Captain Delumba took his hands from the controls took a drag on his cigarette and began a relaxed gaze at the rolling Texas hills covered with scrub oak. And you know what, that Hughes did not move. It hovered as on a string. I was doing it!!! I found the hover button!!!



"Give me a ninety degree pedal turn to the left. Don't forget to roll on a few rpms to counter the torque." this from the good Captain.



I did. Without really moving them, I relaxed the pressure on my right foot and ever so slightly crushed my left sock against the aluminum pedal. We did a perfect pirouette to the left.



"Good, now set her down and pick her back up to three feet." I did as instructed.



"OK. I gotta piss; take me over to the ready room." I hovered over to the parking area, set the Hughes on her skids and rolled the throttle to idle. He got out, tossed away his cigarette and began to fasten his now unused seat belt and shoulder harness as I looked on puzzled. When he finished he said, "Three times around the pattern." He turned on his heels before I could say anything and trudged off toward the latrine.



Other than the births of my children, that was the most miraculous day of my life. I never again had a problem as we went from solo to emergencies to cross country navigation, pinnacle landings and confined areas. I really excelled in instrument flying and never again have I been left behind in a group of aviators. When they were handing out our wings ten months later, I was tied for second in my class of 58 students.



I’ve now flown professionally for nearly four decades and in more than sixteen thousand hours in the air I’ve visited fifty one countries, six continents and all fifty states. You just hang in there and make it happen.



Postscript. I now have a lined paper pencil etching that is framed and hung on the wall of my home office. I made it in 1995 and the lead scribbled outline reads, "John H Delumba". I traced it from panel 28 on the Veitnam Memorial in our nation’s capital. The captain was killed when the medivac helicopter he was flying was shot down by a rocket propelled grenade near Cu Chi, South Vietnam in June of 1971. It was his third tour in country. His wife was presented with a silver star for gallantry posthumously.
anonymous
2007-08-11 13:43:32 UTC
Do not give up. Remember Aviate, Navigate, Communicate as you priorities. Also after you have established a heading from the flight planning you did on the ground, make sure you find a land mark as far out as you can see not something just beneath or very close to your position. The close landmarks only are helpful to confirm your position and take your attention away from the the aircraft attitude and heading. Only take a few seconds to look at you instruments. A good ground review of your sectional chart and what is around your course (small lakes,large lake dams, Rivers, Towns, airports, LARGE ROADS with intersections. If you didn't see it what your looking for on the ground as this can happen, keep flying to the to the far away landmark and maybe you will see the next close landmark, but don't panic, a C-152 can fly for about 3 hours easy with full fuel.
barrych209
2007-08-11 07:20:54 UTC
Your situation sounds SO much like mine!! I think I soloed after 50+ hours! And now I have my commercial pilot's certificate.



Getting lost is damned frustrating, I know. What do you do if you get lost? Do you know how to triangulate to figure out where you are? Or, do you speak with ATC (air traffic control)? Or both?



What are some of the multitasking tasks that you don't do too well? Perhaps you could spread those tasks out over, say, a 2 minute period so you aren't doing it all at once?



I know just what you mean about how hard it is to find the airport... The problem is that what we see on the sectional doesn't "translate" into what we see outside the cockpit.



One thing that REALLY helped me was (believe it or not) to sit in the right seat and let my instructor fly the plane. As he flew, I told him where we were -- every .5 or even .25 of a mile! I explained EVERYTHING that I saw outside. Of course, I did my initial training in southern California -- not rural at all.



Do you chairfly when you are at home? Repeat each cross-country several times in a chair and memorize the scenary/VOR settings.



You also didn't mention your age. Age plays a big part in how quickly we learn and adapt to things.



If you'd like to write to me privately, we can continue this discussion and I could offer you more suggestions to try.



If you have the money, keep flying!!
tk
2007-08-11 21:36:15 UTC
OK...here you go. I was considered the worst student ever. I knew the systems, and understood the theories of aviation, but navigation was tough.



I failed my written exam once. and my flying portion for my private liscense not once, not twice but three times. It took me four times to pass, and frankly the fourth was a little bit of a gift.



Flying and getting your license is nothing more than getting permission to learn. Once I was safe enough to fly liscensed I learned with every flight. Some, mistakes were not good but I was always safe.



Bottomline - if you want to fly, stick to it. Here is a hint, the portable GPS systems that sit on the yoke will keep you from getting lost in the future. They are superb and you won't bust airspace either. Multi-tasking will come with time. After some time you will look back on this and say, I am gald I did this and now it is pretty easy and fun.
anonymous
2007-08-11 17:33:26 UTC
I remember trying to ride a bicyle too. Seemed impossible at the time; defies all the laws of phyics; can't be done.

Thought the same thing trying to learn to land an airplane. Watched my Dad do it a thousand times. Looked easy enough. Doing it myself though under an instructor's eye it just seemed impossible.

Then one day on both of the above events, it happened. Everything finally clicked and it all worked like it was supposed to.

Hang in there. My sister in law went through much of the same. But she managed to do it too.

As others have mentioned, read, study, think your flying thhrough in your head. Fly each flight, even if its only around the pattern, in your head. Visualization makes things happen. Dont give up. One day it will all come together. And as others have said, a change of instructors, even if its only a couple of lessons with someone else, may give you a different perspective. I did this during my training; picked up a couple of things that my regular instructor wasn't showing me.

Keep flying! You won't regret it and it will be the proudest day of your life when you examiner hands you your Temporary Airman's Certificate.
anonymous
2007-08-11 04:50:35 UTC
There is a lot to learn as you have found out. It is easier if you take the lessons all at once instead of spreading them out. There are FBO's that will let you get your license in 2 weeks which is cheaper in the long run. You have to be honest with yourself, is this really what you want to do. And remember it's not like driving a car, you can't pull over and get directions, you must be committed to being the safest pilot in the air every time you get in the plane. If your not ready to make that commitment then you would be better off as a passenger. Good luck
anonymous
2007-08-11 05:34:33 UTC
Everybody learns at different paces. Some pick things up quicker than others & some are slower. However...........



You may think that you have a good CFI but if he isn't getting results in a reasonable time frame he may be lacking in his ability to teach you. So it may be of benefit trying another flying school or instructor.



If you want to give up flying it is best to do it early on before too much money is spent. Once you are into your comercial training and you decide it isn't for you then you then it is a bit too late as you will never recover all that money you spent
richard b
2007-08-11 19:17:44 UTC
first thing to understand is that not everyone learns the same way. you might have the best instructor in the world, and you might be the best student in the world, but if you cannot learn what the instructor is teaching, you both end up lousy. please don't take that the wrong way though. you might just need a change of instructors, to someone who thinks more like you do. you might also need to step back a bit, and look at how to prioritize things. have your instructor take you up for a bit of sightseeing, have them fly the plane and point out landmarks. while they do that, look at the sectional charts and compare what they show you, to whats on the charts. get them to teach you some of the tricks they figured out when they were learning. and most important, fly the plane. get your head out of the cockpit and look around, and dont stress out. the calmer you are, the easier it will be to fly.
colglennlarson
2007-08-11 19:42:38 UTC
John B is right. I went through pretty much the same thing. Couldn't find my butt with both hands and forked stick, but didn't give up. Finally got an IP that saw my problem. He told me "Son, you're trying too damned hard, Relax and pay attention to something besides the insturment panel. Focus on the horizon and let the damned airplane fly itself. Airplanes are better flyers than pilots anyway, just let the airplane do its job with your guidance." He was right. I relaxed, quit gripping the stick with a death grip and stomping on the pedals, and things got a lot better in a hurry. Best of luck to you.
ftrastronaut
2007-08-12 14:40:49 UTC
Never ever quit! If flying is something you really love doing, then by all means stick with it! Look at Michael Jordan, he got cut from his middle school basketball team and they told him he would never make it. Look where he is now! Trust me, hard work and perseverance pays off. You're ahead of a LOT of people. How many people out there can say they know how to fly a plane, not a lot. I just give you credit for what you have done already. Good Luck and stick with it!
Steven H
2007-08-11 21:16:39 UTC
This is something that you and your CFI should talk about. Try to fix the problems. But if you really having problems multitasking and crucial things like that alot and cant fix the problem than yea I guess you should stay on the ground.

Multi tasking and thinking ahead etc.. are the most important things about flying.
fortunateson59
2007-08-11 04:48:02 UTC
Cliche answer but if you put your mind to it, you can do it. You say you haven't got your solo yet, but once you get that, you will have the confidence to get up in the air and take control for yourself. It's trial by fire at that point, you make your own decisions and have to live with them. Private is the way to go i also looked into getting the commercial rating but after talking with airline pilots, corp. pilot is the way to go.
grumpy geezer
2007-08-11 06:32:09 UTC
Find a part time job or something so you can at least fly twice a week. (easier said than done.)



Find a new instructor if you're not getting results after more aggressive scheduling. Sometimes just the way another person explains the same thing will make it click for you.
Abanoub
2007-08-11 20:07:32 UTC
Save up your money

Dont ever quit.
Scatman
2007-08-11 06:31:12 UTC
Don't give up, if its meant to be, its meant to be, for all you know you may get a better dream
Aaronsmith
2007-08-11 20:04:28 UTC
simplify man It sounds like youre working for the plane











PEACE
todd s
2007-08-11 04:43:47 UTC
stay on the ground


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